<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel> <title> Comments on: Let’s Talk About Writing: Using Lyrics </title> <atom:link href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/</link> <description>One Writer's Journey</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:49:13 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod> hourly </sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency> 1 </sy:updateFrequency> <generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2</generator> <item> <title> By: Judy Penz Sheluk </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4965</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Judy Penz Sheluk]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:49:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4965</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4964">Jack Calverley</a>. Jack, that is a great question. I did a quick Google and this is what I read: Under U.S. Copyright Law, a parody can be considered a “derivative” work protected from copyright infringement claims by the fair use doctrine. ... Parodies of works protected by copyright in the U.K. require the consent or permission of the copyright owner” unless they fall under three different exceptions. Here's a link to an online discussion: <a href="https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/8570496/how-can-i-avoid-copyright-claims-on-a-parody-song-i-wrote?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/8570496/how-can-i-avoid-copyright-claims-on-a-parody-song-i-wrote?hl=en</a> Bottom line is it might not be worth it...thanks for asking!]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4964">Jack Calverley</a>.</p> <p>Jack, that is a great question. I did a quick Google and this is what I read: Under U.S. Copyright Law, a parody can be considered a “derivative” work protected from copyright infringement claims by the fair use doctrine. … Parodies of works protected by copyright in the U.K. require the consent or permission of the copyright owner” unless they fall under three different exceptions.<br /> Here’s a link to an online discussion: <a href="https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/8570496/how-can-i-avoid-copyright-claims-on-a-parody-song-i-wrote?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/8570496/how-can-i-avoid-copyright-claims-on-a-parody-song-i-wrote?hl=en</a><br /> Bottom line is it might not be worth it…thanks for asking!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Jack Calverley </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4964</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Calverley]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:57:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4964</guid> <description><![CDATA[Hi Judy, Thanks for the post. Most informative. I wonder, where does the writer stand when it comes to parody? For instance, if I have a character sing [just] the two lines: "Lamplighters//lazy as the corn in sun" in a context where it is clearly intended to parody two lines from the chorus of Bruce Springsteen's 'Born to Run' (i.e. which properly would start with the word 'tramps'), clearly I am relying on the existence of the original to generate a humour beat. So does that fall foul of copyright? Thank you.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Judy, </p> <p>Thanks for the post. Most informative. </p> <p>I wonder, where does the writer stand when it comes to parody? </p> <p>For instance, if I have a character sing [just] the two lines: “Lamplighters//lazy as the corn in sun” in a context where it is clearly intended to parody two lines from the chorus of Bruce Springsteen’s ‘Born to Run’ (i.e. which properly would start with the word ‘tramps’), clearly I am relying on the existence of the original to generate a humour beat. So does that fall foul of copyright? </p> <p>Thank you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Judy Penz Sheluk </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4963</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Judy Penz Sheluk]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:43:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4963</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4962">Ellen Byron</a>. Thanks Ellen]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4962">Ellen Byron</a>.</p> <p>Thanks Ellen</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Ellen Byron </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4962</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellen Byron]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:10:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4962</guid> <description><![CDATA[Great post, and very useful.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and very useful.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Judy Penz Sheluk </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4961</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Judy Penz Sheluk]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2022 16:46:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4961</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4959">Susan D</a>. Susan, not sure, but poetry might fall under the "fair use" clause -- and of course, Louise was a CBC darling long before she was published and may have known Atwood through that. Though I do know Ruth's poetry is Atwood's. I quoted a verse from the poem Hard Song by Barry Dempster in Heartbreaks & Half-truths and asked his permission -- but I've known him for years. Thanks for stopping by!]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4959">Susan D</a>.</p> <p>Susan, not sure, but poetry might fall under the “fair use” clause — and of course, Louise was a CBC darling long before she was published and may have known Atwood through that. Though I do know Ruth’s poetry is Atwood’s.<br /> I quoted a verse from the poem Hard Song by Barry Dempster in Heartbreaks & Half-truths and asked his permission — but I’ve known him for years.<br /> Thanks for stopping by!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Judy Penz Sheluk </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4960</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Judy Penz Sheluk]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2022 16:42:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4960</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4958">Kathleen Kaska</a>. That is a handy link, Kathleen! Thanks for reading.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4958">Kathleen Kaska</a>.</p> <p>That is a handy link, Kathleen! Thanks for reading.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Susan D </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4959</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan D]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2022 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4959</guid> <description><![CDATA[Yes, it never hurts to ask, eh? Louise Penny (okay, yes, famous writer, but she wasn't always) attributes Margaret Atwood's poetry to Ruth Zardo, the (maybe) mad poet of Three Pines. And the permissions are clearly presented on the copyrights page. One time I was at a Louise Penny event when someone in the audience asked, "Have you ever thought of publishing a book of Ruth's poetry?" Louise graciously explained why not.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it never hurts to ask, eh? Louise Penny (okay, yes, famous writer, but she wasn’t always) attributes Margaret Atwood’s poetry to Ruth Zardo, the (maybe) mad poet of Three Pines. And the permissions are clearly presented on the copyrights page. </p> <p>One time I was at a Louise Penny event when someone in the audience asked, “Have you ever thought of publishing a book of Ruth’s poetry?” Louise graciously explained why not.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Kathleen Kaska </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4958</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathleen Kaska]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4958</guid> <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reminder and for the link to songs in the public domain!]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reminder and for the link to songs in the public domain!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Judy Penz Sheluk </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4957</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Judy Penz Sheluk]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:09:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4957</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4954">Kaye George</a>. Not alive was probably the biggest factor, Kaye. Still, worth knowing that it might be worth trying if it's super important to your story.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4954">Kaye George</a>.</p> <p>Not alive was probably the biggest factor, Kaye. Still, worth knowing that it might be worth trying if it’s super important to your story.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Kaye George </title> <link>https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4956</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Kaye George]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:02:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.judypenzsheluk.com/?p=11336#comment-4956</guid> <description><![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4953">Judy Penz Sheluk</a>. I was surprised how easy it was to get that permission, but she's not alive and she's not a rock and roll star.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.judypenzsheluk.com/2022/01/22/lets-talk-about-writing-using-lyrics/#comment-4953">Judy Penz Sheluk</a>.</p> <p>I was surprised how easy it was to get that permission, but she’s not alive and she’s not a rock and roll star.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>